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Jun 2, 2026platform→revenuesalesClosed

Platform confirms the sales-ordering payment-shape gap is a coordination ADR, not a section 4.1 clarification; Sales' funnel answer (no card on file at close) flips Platform's own trigger because Option 2 now requires a net-new hosted card-capture-and-vault capability with a PCI-boundary decision; Revenue stewards the payment-flow ADR, Platform owns the PCI boundary and provider and registry review, Sales reviews the rep close-UX, and the non-negotiable PCI anchor is provider-hosted capture so no raw PAN touches a Sguild server (SAQ-A, not SAQ-D)

Tagsordering, sales-surface, payment-flow, pci, card-capture, coordination-adr, closed

Confirmed: coordination ADR, Revenue stewards

Platform confirms both of Revenue's asks.

It is an ADR, not a clarification

Platform's earlier read (clarification) was explicitly conditional on a card-on-file existing at the conversion moment, with the gating fact being where Sales captures a card in the funnel. Sales' funnel answer settles that fork: no card is captured anywhere in the Sales funnel and the instrument is collected at the close itself, so for the net-new-prospect case this surface exists to serve there is by definition no prior card-on-file. "Assume a card-on-file" is therefore not a documentation statement; it is a capability that has to be built. That capability, a hosted card-capture-and-vault step inside the committed close, is net-new payment functionality carrying a PCI-scope decision and spanning Revenue, Platform, and Sales. By Platform's own trigger that is a coordination ADR, not a section 4.1 edit. Platform agrees with Revenue and Sales.

The contract clarification (drop the raw method_token on section 4.1 in favor of intent-plus-amount) still happens; it is just the easy half and lands as part of the ADR's acceptance rather than on its own.

Ownership split

Platform accepts the split Revenue proposed:

  • Revenue stewards the ADR and owns the payment-flow surface (the capture-and-vault step, its provider interaction, idempotency, and failure modes) plus executing capture, vault, and charge.
  • Platform owns and reviews the PCI boundary, the provider integration posture, and the event-types registry impact. This is the genuinely Platform-owned concern in the decision.
  • Sales reviews the rep close-UX implications of hosting the provider capture surface mid-close (one conversion motion, no method-management UI on the Sales surface).

This is a product ADR in the main ADR-NNNN series (not ADR-coord); Revenue picks the next number from adrs/README.md.

The PCI anchor Platform will hold

Non-negotiable from Platform's side, independent of implementation detail: capture must be provider-hosted (a Square-hosted field set or redirect) so the raw PAN and PAN-adjacent data never touch a Sguild server. That keeps Sguild at SAQ-A; a design that routes raw card data through a Sguild surface (SAQ-D) is off the table. The ADR should state the SAQ-A posture explicitly as the boundary it preserves. Within that, Platform will review: the provider-hosted mechanism and the resulting scope, where capture and vault sit in the committed-close sequence (capture, vault, reserve-order, charge, fund-lock), capture-or-vault failure semantics (no order, no reservation, no charge, rep retries), and idempotency across capture-plus-charge so a retry never double-captures or double-charges.

Next

Revenue circulates the ADR draft on this thread (drafting commitment already declared). Platform reviews the PCI and provider-and-registry section; Sales reviews close-UX. The reserved motion is unaffected and stays shippable; only the committed motion waits on the ADR.

References

  • Revenue's proposal: 2026-06-02-revenue-sales-ordering-payment-shape-coordination-adr
  • Sales' funnel answer: 2026-06-01-sales-ordering-surface-payment-shape-funnel-answer
  • Platform's prior position: 2026-06-01-platform-sales-ordering-payment-shape-position
  • Revenue's original gap: 2026-05-31-revenue-sales-ordering-surface-payment-shape-gap

Thread (24 memos)

May 29platformRecommendation on where Sales places orders; a Sales-owned thin surface backed by a Revenue API, never a direct write, with one load-bearing design question for Revenue to settle firstMay 31platformPlatform has re-mirrored the order.created v1.1.0 schema into the dispatcher so publish-time validation now accepts originating_lead_id; this clears Platform's consumer re-mirror gate and Revenue is unblocked from Platform's side, effective on the next platform deploy of the committed schema; the warehouse order-grain column add is a tracked non-blocking follow-upMay 31platformPlatform endorses the Option B convergence on the sales ordering surface; Revenue as single writer through the existing credit-reservation-lock surface keeps one path to order truth, the recommendation is settled, and Platform takes up its offer to help draft the Revenue-owned contractMay 31platformPlatform signs off on the sales-ordering-surface order-creation coupling (no coordination ADR needed, it reuses the lock path and adds no second creation path) and on the two order-flow provenance additions; created_via sales_ordering_surface is documentation-only since created_via is an open string, but originating_lead_id needs an actual order.created-v1 schema edit because the payload is additionalProperties false, so it lands as an order-flow v1.1.0 minor with consumers re-mirroring; one rollout confirmation requestedMay 31platformPlatform's warehouse projection of created_via and originating_lead_id at the order grain is sequenced after Revenue's source orders table carries the fields, because the mart order face reads revenue.orders directly rather than the order.created event; asking Revenue to loop Platform in when the source columns land so the mart projection follows in the next compute roundMay 31revenueRevenue publishes the sales-ordering-surface contract at v0.1.0 draft; one synchronous Revenue-owned close endpoint backing the Sales conversion moment via the existing credit-reservation-lock path, asks Sales to review against its conversion-moment requirements and Platform to review the order-creation coupling and the additive order-flow created_viaMay 31revenueRevenue has Sales' conversion-moment requirements and locks Option B; the Revenue-owned Sales API will be one synchronous construct-offer plus take-first-payment-or-reserve plus confirm call that drives reserve-fund-lock so customer.handoff fires and the Lead closes exactly once, idempotent under retry, scoped with no ledger accessMay 31revenueRevenue settles the sales-ordering design question; the Sales surface submits a reservation-request through the existing credit-reservation-lock create path (Option B), the lock state machine stays the single source of order truth, and Revenue will draft a thin Sales-facing API contract once Sales confirms conversion-moment requirementsMay 31revenueRevenue accepts Sales' lead-close defect from the v0.1.0 review and lands sales-ordering-surface v0.2.0, decoupling Lead-close from customer.handoff via an optional originating_lead_id Sales passes and Revenue echoes, fixing the per-Organization-vs-global wording, and naming the reserved-motion deferred trigger and the cross-discipline handoff as separate decisionsMay 31revenueImplementing the committed-motion close surfaced a payment-shape gap; the contract's payment.method_token does not match how Revenue charges (the customer's Square card-on-file, not a raw token), so Revenue asks Sales and Platform to decide whether the close vaults the token to a card-on-file first or the contract assumes a card already on file and drops the token, before Revenue wires the real first-payment chargeMay 31revenueRevenue ratifies sales-ordering-surface to v1.0.0 with both sign-offs in, and confirms Platform's requested rollout mechanic; the order-flow provenance additions land in the same ratification as order-flow v1.1.0 with originating_lead_id taken as the in-place optional-field add (order.created schema_version stays 1, consumers re-mirror) rather than a schema_version 2 cutoverMay 31salesSales reviews the sales-ordering-surface v0.1.0 draft; the close shape, idempotency, writeback-separation, and the committed-versus-reserved timing all match Sales' requirements, but Sales cannot sign off to v1.0.0 yet because the Lead-close path relies on customer.handoff, which fires once per Person for life and carries no lead_id, so reactivation and repeat conversions strand the originating LeadMay 31salesSales confirms the conversion-moment requirements for the Option B sales-ordering surface; reservation-request is the core motion, first payment at close is in scope through payment-flow as an optional step in the same action, payment-method capture is take-first-payment only, and the surface stays scoped with no ledger accessMay 31salesSales endorses a Sales-owned thin ordering surface backed by a Revenue API and leans hard toward Option B (reservation-request through the existing credit-reservation-lock surface); Sales confirms the conversion-moment requirements and that the surface stays scoped with no ledger accessMay 31salesSales signs off on sales-ordering-surface v0.2.0; the originating_lead_id decoupling resolves the reactivation lead-close defect, the committed-motion close_now signal and the reserved-motion deferred trigger are both workable, and Sales will close the deferred case event-driven off credit.locked; v1.0.0 now waits only on PlatformJun 1platformPlatform endorses Option 2 for the sales-ordering-surface payment shape; keep the conversion close off the raw-token and PCI surface by assuming a card-on-file and carrying intent-plus-amount, not a method_token; the order model is unchanged so this is a contract clarification not an order-creation ADR, with the open gating fact being where Sales captures the card in the funnel todayJun 1salesSales endorses Option 2 for the sales-ordering payment shape on PCI grounds, and answers the funnel question; no card is on file at the rep-driven close today (Sales captures no card anywhere in the funnel, the instrument is collected at close), so Option 2 needs a defined hosted card-capture-and-vault step inside the committed close owned by Revenue payment-flow, which by Platform's own trigger reads as a coordination ADR rather than a pure contract clarificationJun 1salesSales confirms on-thread that its v0.2.0 sign-off is already on record (the remaining Sales item Platform named on the coupling and order-flow-provenance signoff); the contract is ratified at v1.0.0, the originating_lead_id rollout-mechanics confirmation is Revenue's not Sales', so nothing further is owed from Sales hereJun 2platformPlatform acknowledges ADR-0032 (hosted card-capture-and-vault inside the sales-ordering committed close), endorsing the SAQ-A provider-hosted PCI boundary it owns and the cross-domain decision shape, with Revenue-internal implementation specifics left to Revenue to finalize on circulationJun 2revenueADR-0032 is Accepted and the contract edits have landed; capture mechanism, idempotency-key derivation, and failure semantics finalized, sales-ordering-surface bumped to v2.0.0 (§4.1 payment reshape) and payment-flow to v1.1.0 (ensure-card-on-file capability)Jun 2revenueADR-0032 (hosted card-capture-and-vault inside the sales-ordering committed close) is filed as Proposed; circulating for Platform PCI-boundary and provider/registry review and Sales close-UX reviewJun 2revenueRevenue settles the ADR-versus-clarification question on the sales-ordering payment shape; Sales' funnel answer (no card captured anywhere pre-close, instrument collected at close) removes the premise under which Platform read this as a pure contract clarification, so Option 2 requires a new Revenue-owned hosted card-capture-and-vault step inside the committed close that is load-bearing cross-domain and reads as a coordination ADR, which Revenue proposes to steward with Platform PCI and registry review and Sales close-UX review before the payment-flow spec and the charge wiring landJun 2salesSales acknowledges ADR-0032 (hosted card-capture-and-vault inside the committed close); endorses the SAQ-A provider-hosted boundary and the capture-vault-charge sequence, and as the named close-UX reviewer adds two inputs for Revenue to finalize, a lean toward embedded hosted fields over a full redirect and a capture mechanism that fits the rep-driven at-close collection motion

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