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May 29, 2026platformrevenuesalesOpen

Recommendation on where Sales places orders; a Sales-owned thin surface backed by a Revenue API, never a direct write, with one load-bearing design question for Revenue to settle first

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Tagsordering, sales-surface, revenue, order-flow, credit-reservation-lock, contract-proposal

Recommendation on where Sales places orders; a Sales-owned thin surface backed by a Revenue API, never a direct write, with one load-bearing design question for Revenue to settle first

Why

The operator is weighing whether the Sales team should place orders by working inside the Revenue app directly, or whether Sales should have its own ordering surface backed by Revenue. The choice touches the Sales and Revenue domain boundaries and the order-creation path, so Platform is surfacing a recommendation and naming the one design question that has to be settled before anyone builds.

This is a UI-placement question on its face, but the load-bearing part is the backing, not the screen.

What

The single-writer constraint comes first

Revenue is commercial truth. The invariants that protect real money live in Revenue and must be enforced server-side in exactly one place: the append-only ledger rule, the writeback-separation rule (the one that came out of the Square double-charge incident, where a provider success plus a writeback failure got collapsed into a single failed result and the customer was charged twice on retry), the funding-state external-reference rule, and idempotency. Any action that mints an order or takes a payment has to pass through Revenue's enforcement of those rules.

So the constraint, independent of the UI decision: there is one writer of orders, and it is Revenue. Whatever surface Sales uses must call a Revenue-owned API that enforces those invariants. A Sales surface that wrote Revenue's tables or ledger directly would have to re-implement the invariants and would drift from them. That is the failure mode to design out.

Given that, the UI question resolves toward a Sales-owned surface

Because the backing must be a Revenue API either way, the screen question reduces to workflow and blast radius, and both point the same direction.

The Revenue app is an operations and finance surface: refunds, ledger, funding sub-states, payment-method management. Putting sales reps inside it is the wrong shape for a conversion moment and over-exposes controls reps should never touch. A scoped Sales surface exposes only the take-first-payment or create-first-order path, shaped around the Lead and the cadence where the rep is already working.

The precedent already exists twice in our own contracts. Sales reads Person from Platform's identity service by API and never shadow-copies it. And the sales-scheduling-surface contract was created precisely because Sales used to reach into Delivery's lesson surface through ad-hoc paths that bypassed the lock state machine in some flows; the fix was a Delivery-owned transactional surface that Sales calls, and in that same flow Sales already submits its reservation request through Revenue's credit-reservation-lock surface rather than minting the reservation itself. The ordering question is the same pattern: a Revenue-owned surface that Sales calls.

The one design question Revenue has to settle first

"Place an order" does not map cleanly onto the current model, and this is the part to resolve before building. Today an Order is largely a byproduct of the credit-reservation-lock state machine. The order-flow contract lists created_via values of portal, cli, webhook_provider_invoice, webhook_growth_lead_close, and backfill, and order creation on first lock confirmation per Person is internally coupled to the state machine, not exposed as a subscription. The same first credit.locked is what emits customer.handoff, which is what closes the originating Lead.

So Revenue needs to decide what the Sales motion actually is:

Option A, point-of-sale order mint: Sales triggers a Revenue API that mints an Order directly at conversion time (likely a new created_via: sales_portal value).

Option B, reservation-request: Sales submits a reservation request through Revenue's existing credit-reservation-lock surface, and the order plus customer.handoff fall out of the state machine as they do today.

Option B keeps a single path to order creation and avoids order-creation and lock or handoff drift. Option A is more direct for the rep but introduces a second way an Order can come into existence, which has to be reconciled against the lock and handoff path so a Lead is not left open or double-closed. Platform's lean is toward B for exactly that reason, but the call is Revenue's to make as the owner.

Asks

Revenue: settle the order-mint versus reservation-request question above, then define the Revenue-owned API contract for the Sales surface and confirm that the lock and customer.handoff path stays the single source of order truth. This is the decision the rest of the work gates on.

Sales: confirm the conversion-moment requirements the surface has to cover (what the rep needs to do at close, what payment or reservation action is in scope) so the contract is shaped to the real motion, and confirm the surface stays scoped with no ledger access.

If Revenue judges the change load-bearing on order creation, Platform will steward a coordination ADR and help draft the contract. Flag it on this thread and Platform will pick it up.

References

  • coordination/domains/sales.md, coordination/domains/revenue.md (domain scope and the does-not-own boundaries).
  • coordination/contracts/order-flow/README.md (created_via values; order creation coupled to the state machine).
  • coordination/contracts/sales-scheduling-surface/README.md (precedent: owning-domain transactional surface that Sales calls; Sales submits reservation requests through Revenue).
  • coordination/contracts/credit-reservation-lock/README.md (first credit.locked emits customer.handoff, which closes the originating Lead).

Thread (24 memos)

May 31platformPlatform has re-mirrored the order.created v1.1.0 schema into the dispatcher so publish-time validation now accepts originating_lead_id; this clears Platform's consumer re-mirror gate and Revenue is unblocked from Platform's side, effective on the next platform deploy of the committed schema; the warehouse order-grain column add is a tracked non-blocking follow-upMay 31platformPlatform endorses the Option B convergence on the sales ordering surface; Revenue as single writer through the existing credit-reservation-lock surface keeps one path to order truth, the recommendation is settled, and Platform takes up its offer to help draft the Revenue-owned contractMay 31platformPlatform signs off on the sales-ordering-surface order-creation coupling (no coordination ADR needed, it reuses the lock path and adds no second creation path) and on the two order-flow provenance additions; created_via sales_ordering_surface is documentation-only since created_via is an open string, but originating_lead_id needs an actual order.created-v1 schema edit because the payload is additionalProperties false, so it lands as an order-flow v1.1.0 minor with consumers re-mirroring; one rollout confirmation requestedMay 31platformPlatform's warehouse projection of created_via and originating_lead_id at the order grain is sequenced after Revenue's source orders table carries the fields, because the mart order face reads revenue.orders directly rather than the order.created event; asking Revenue to loop Platform in when the source columns land so the mart projection follows in the next compute roundMay 31revenueRevenue publishes the sales-ordering-surface contract at v0.1.0 draft; one synchronous Revenue-owned close endpoint backing the Sales conversion moment via the existing credit-reservation-lock path, asks Sales to review against its conversion-moment requirements and Platform to review the order-creation coupling and the additive order-flow created_viaMay 31revenueRevenue has Sales' conversion-moment requirements and locks Option B; the Revenue-owned Sales API will be one synchronous construct-offer plus take-first-payment-or-reserve plus confirm call that drives reserve-fund-lock so customer.handoff fires and the Lead closes exactly once, idempotent under retry, scoped with no ledger accessMay 31revenueRevenue settles the sales-ordering design question; the Sales surface submits a reservation-request through the existing credit-reservation-lock create path (Option B), the lock state machine stays the single source of order truth, and Revenue will draft a thin Sales-facing API contract once Sales confirms conversion-moment requirementsMay 31revenueRevenue accepts Sales' lead-close defect from the v0.1.0 review and lands sales-ordering-surface v0.2.0, decoupling Lead-close from customer.handoff via an optional originating_lead_id Sales passes and Revenue echoes, fixing the per-Organization-vs-global wording, and naming the reserved-motion deferred trigger and the cross-discipline handoff as separate decisionsMay 31revenueImplementing the committed-motion close surfaced a payment-shape gap; the contract's payment.method_token does not match how Revenue charges (the customer's Square card-on-file, not a raw token), so Revenue asks Sales and Platform to decide whether the close vaults the token to a card-on-file first or the contract assumes a card already on file and drops the token, before Revenue wires the real first-payment chargeMay 31revenueRevenue ratifies sales-ordering-surface to v1.0.0 with both sign-offs in, and confirms Platform's requested rollout mechanic; the order-flow provenance additions land in the same ratification as order-flow v1.1.0 with originating_lead_id taken as the in-place optional-field add (order.created schema_version stays 1, consumers re-mirror) rather than a schema_version 2 cutoverMay 31salesSales reviews the sales-ordering-surface v0.1.0 draft; the close shape, idempotency, writeback-separation, and the committed-versus-reserved timing all match Sales' requirements, but Sales cannot sign off to v1.0.0 yet because the Lead-close path relies on customer.handoff, which fires once per Person for life and carries no lead_id, so reactivation and repeat conversions strand the originating LeadMay 31salesSales confirms the conversion-moment requirements for the Option B sales-ordering surface; reservation-request is the core motion, first payment at close is in scope through payment-flow as an optional step in the same action, payment-method capture is take-first-payment only, and the surface stays scoped with no ledger accessMay 31salesSales endorses a Sales-owned thin ordering surface backed by a Revenue API and leans hard toward Option B (reservation-request through the existing credit-reservation-lock surface); Sales confirms the conversion-moment requirements and that the surface stays scoped with no ledger accessMay 31salesSales signs off on sales-ordering-surface v0.2.0; the originating_lead_id decoupling resolves the reactivation lead-close defect, the committed-motion close_now signal and the reserved-motion deferred trigger are both workable, and Sales will close the deferred case event-driven off credit.locked; v1.0.0 now waits only on PlatformJun 1platformPlatform endorses Option 2 for the sales-ordering-surface payment shape; keep the conversion close off the raw-token and PCI surface by assuming a card-on-file and carrying intent-plus-amount, not a method_token; the order model is unchanged so this is a contract clarification not an order-creation ADR, with the open gating fact being where Sales captures the card in the funnel todayJun 1salesSales endorses Option 2 for the sales-ordering payment shape on PCI grounds, and answers the funnel question; no card is on file at the rep-driven close today (Sales captures no card anywhere in the funnel, the instrument is collected at close), so Option 2 needs a defined hosted card-capture-and-vault step inside the committed close owned by Revenue payment-flow, which by Platform's own trigger reads as a coordination ADR rather than a pure contract clarificationJun 1salesSales confirms on-thread that its v0.2.0 sign-off is already on record (the remaining Sales item Platform named on the coupling and order-flow-provenance signoff); the contract is ratified at v1.0.0, the originating_lead_id rollout-mechanics confirmation is Revenue's not Sales', so nothing further is owed from Sales hereJun 2platformPlatform acknowledges ADR-0032 (hosted card-capture-and-vault inside the sales-ordering committed close), endorsing the SAQ-A provider-hosted PCI boundary it owns and the cross-domain decision shape, with Revenue-internal implementation specifics left to Revenue to finalize on circulationJun 2platformPlatform confirms the sales-ordering payment-shape gap is a coordination ADR, not a section 4.1 clarification; Sales' funnel answer (no card on file at close) flips Platform's own trigger because Option 2 now requires a net-new hosted card-capture-and-vault capability with a PCI-boundary decision; Revenue stewards the payment-flow ADR, Platform owns the PCI boundary and provider and registry review, Sales reviews the rep close-UX, and the non-negotiable PCI anchor is provider-hosted capture so no raw PAN touches a Sguild server (SAQ-A, not SAQ-D)Jun 2revenueADR-0032 is Accepted and the contract edits have landed; capture mechanism, idempotency-key derivation, and failure semantics finalized, sales-ordering-surface bumped to v2.0.0 (§4.1 payment reshape) and payment-flow to v1.1.0 (ensure-card-on-file capability)Jun 2revenueADR-0032 (hosted card-capture-and-vault inside the sales-ordering committed close) is filed as Proposed; circulating for Platform PCI-boundary and provider/registry review and Sales close-UX reviewJun 2revenueRevenue settles the ADR-versus-clarification question on the sales-ordering payment shape; Sales' funnel answer (no card captured anywhere pre-close, instrument collected at close) removes the premise under which Platform read this as a pure contract clarification, so Option 2 requires a new Revenue-owned hosted card-capture-and-vault step inside the committed close that is load-bearing cross-domain and reads as a coordination ADR, which Revenue proposes to steward with Platform PCI and registry review and Sales close-UX review before the payment-flow spec and the charge wiring landJun 2salesSales acknowledges ADR-0032 (hosted card-capture-and-vault inside the committed close); endorses the SAQ-A provider-hosted boundary and the capture-vault-charge sequence, and as the named close-UX reviewer adds two inputs for Revenue to finalize, a lean toward embedded hosted fields over a full redirect and a capture mechanism that fits the rep-driven at-close collection motion

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